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graphing social: danny sullivan: search to social

remember altavista, and when you first started using google, you felt guilty? for abandoning altavista?

1st gen search engines: search engines "crawl" links to pages, they make a copy in something called a index, they find pages you are looking through, originally via term frequency. this was too spammable, because control was in the hands of the webmaster.


2nd gen search engines: use factors off the page that wemaster can't easily influence

  • clickthrough
  • links "democratic nature of the web"
    • pagerank
    • anchor text, actual words in the text
  • then people began overtly manipulating links, thinking about votes, campaigning for votes (miserable failure), even buying votes
3rd gen?
  • vertical search
    • focus on a particular topic, such as news
  • personalized and social search
  • Google personalized search
    • ranking is reorganized based on whats deemed to be your personal preferences
    • Changes are subtle, but will likely change over time
  • personalize influencers
    • google homepage
    • google bookmarks
    • search history
    • web history
  • social search
    • eurekster experimented with friends clicks reshaping results in 2004
    • Yahoo My Web promised to let us tag and use a network to reshape results
  • Neither really has suceeded
    • the promise & reality of mixing the social graph with search engines
    • eurekster says "swikis" are much better
    • yahoo dropped many feautres quietly
    • but what about facebook.
  • Social graph (ugh) social network data potentially useful
    • watch what others are searching on
    • monitor clicks in a more closed environment - harder to spam, identity is persistant
    • reshape results based on what your friends seem to like
    • but WHO are your friends?
  • www.dumpfolder.net/?p=193
  • friend pollution
    • do you really want to go through and pick out friends you trust enough to influence search results
    • what about unfriending, privacy, and what you want to share?
    • tagging? search basically works, and sharing queries is undesirable/unnecessary
  • Does facebook instead work on a aggregate level? use networks, for example.
  • And what's the underlying platform? They'll probably partner with someone else (Facebook unlikely to build a search engine from scratch, it's not easy)
What shall they do?
  • Go vertical? People search?
    • plenty in space, spock et al
    • searchengineland.com/lands/peoplesearch
Search vs discovery
  • search is an on demand thing, have particular need to fulfill activity
  • Discovery is related but less specific in what you want
    • stumbleupon, digg
    • iGoogle related magic tabs
QUESTIONS
Q: Maholo?
A: I like it, i think it could help. Google says, we won't touch it we'll fix the algorythm but hey, fix it now! But maholo is starting to morph into a wikipedia. SInce it's made by an editor, it's more of an about than a social search engine.

Q: don't people already want to separate top friends, professional friends, etc?
A: if you are a heavy user, then yes, but most people that's too much overhead. have to be a poweruser.

Q: don't you think people search is fundamentally different than web search?
A: absolutely, you are looking for a page with bio, contact info, etc. But the problem is where are they? myspace, facebook, etc? Easier to go to google or a people search.



Favorite quote
speaker "google will say we've got iran, and we've got brazil and we're coming for you"
audience "the axis of orkut"


Posted at October 08, 2007 01:33 PM


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