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		<title>Comment on My Year of Living by Blue Ant Labs (@blueantlabs)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Ant Labs (@blueantlabs)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool, really enjoyed reading this.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on My Year of Living by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for taking the time to share this. I loved every word, but your line about alignment of values really brought back memories of a new job that wound up exacting an enormous physical and emotional toll.  I wish this were discussed more so that people wouldn&#039;t have to learn the importance of this the hard way...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to share this. I loved every word, but your line about alignment of values really brought back memories of a new job that wound up exacting an enormous physical and emotional toll.  I wish this were discussed more so that people wouldn&#8217;t have to learn the importance of this the hard way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Year of Living by Joe Sokohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Sokohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Delightful...just like you are. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful essay. And glad to be a aprt of your IA &amp; IxD adventures in 2012 (and hope to see you in Bal&#039;mer in 2013!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delightful&#8230;just like you are. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful essay. And glad to be a aprt of your IA &amp; IxD adventures in 2012 (and hope to see you in Bal&#8217;mer in 2013!).</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Syllabus for User Experience by Benson Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benson Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing Christina! This is a great reminder of the fundamentals that often get skipped over when rushing to push out a product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing Christina! This is a great reminder of the fundamentals that often get skipped over when rushing to push out a product.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Mission for Design by A Mission for Design &#124; Eleganthack &#171; Arteliance</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Mission for Design &#124; Eleganthack &#171; Arteliance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Tiny Process for Writing by Currens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Currens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Intuitive thought process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intuitive thought process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Language for  Design Problems by Dave Malouf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Malouf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dorian,
There is a premise in your comment above that I&#039;m not sure I agree w/. That the creation of the web site itself as a final deliverable can be priced any more accurately than the price of the amalgamation of artifacts (whether delivered to the client or not is irrelevant) that lead up to said web site. 

It also assumes that you, or your team are the only arbiters of the finality of the final &quot;deliverable&quot; and not collaborating on a broader team, such as corporate IT, Marketing, or even external partners such as Brand Consultants, or software service agents for enterprise software.

This is moving WAY beyond what Cristina is talking about here so I won&#039;t go further, but there are a ton of assumptions in your theory of what is a &quot;final deliverable&quot; let alone the value of intermediate deliverables as gatekeepers as part of the overall pricing structure.

The risks of any fixed bid will always fall squarely on the consultant/agent and as a project grows in size the level of all uncertainty grows not geometrically but exponentially. 

-- dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dorian,<br />
There is a premise in your comment above that I&#8217;m not sure I agree w/. That the creation of the web site itself as a final deliverable can be priced any more accurately than the price of the amalgamation of artifacts (whether delivered to the client or not is irrelevant) that lead up to said web site. </p>
<p>It also assumes that you, or your team are the only arbiters of the finality of the final &#8220;deliverable&#8221; and not collaborating on a broader team, such as corporate IT, Marketing, or even external partners such as Brand Consultants, or software service agents for enterprise software.</p>
<p>This is moving WAY beyond what Cristina is talking about here so I won&#8217;t go further, but there are a ton of assumptions in your theory of what is a &#8220;final deliverable&#8221; let alone the value of intermediate deliverables as gatekeepers as part of the overall pricing structure.</p>
<p>The risks of any fixed bid will always fall squarely on the consultant/agent and as a project grows in size the level of all uncertainty grows not geometrically but exponentially. </p>
<p>&#8211; dave</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Language for  Design Problems by Dorian Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorian Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t host comments; sorry for the inconvenience.

Once again the definition of &quot;deliverable&quot; I&#039;m using, or at least one facet thereof, is an artifact that acts as the content of one side of a commercial transaction (the other typically being money). So, once again, if your obligation in a contract is to deliver a website, the website is a deliverable (among many).

As such I am implying no more in my use of the term &quot;deliverable&quot; than &quot;that which is (to be) delivered&quot;. Am I using the word wrong?

Let me try to unpack this a bit. My overarching purpose is to look at alternative ways to strike deals around the acquisition of information artifacts, defined as anything that would be wrong if it said or did the wrong thing. These artifacts tend to be conceived and rendered as digital data, and as such the cost structure and risks around acquiring them are not governed by the costs of raw materials or rote labour, but rather that of gathering, concentrating, synthesizing and representing precursor information. The reason why I am interested in looking at alternative modes of exchange and financing of such artifacts is because I observe that these costs are inherently unknowable.

While the cost of gathering, concentrating, synthesizing and representing a &lt;em&gt;specific&lt;/em&gt; piece of information is unknowable, the costs of these operations in &lt;em&gt;general&lt;/em&gt; is not. In fact, it has never been cheaper. This realization is what led me to consider alternate ways to do deals around these kinds of artifacts.

What if, then, instead of striking a deal to deliver a complex artifact like a website, framed as a discrete capital investment, the deal was to deliver continual installments of &lt;em&gt;simple&lt;/em&gt; artifacts that combine together over time, framed as an operating expense? That way, both actors in the transaction could ensure that they are getting value on an incremental basis, without the need for the risk exposure associated with a monolithic capital investment.

At this point the problem becomes, how do we answer the client&#039;s question of &quot;what did I get for my money?&quot; It occurs to me here that what is needed is some way of connecting the simple artifact, which may be many degrees removed from the client&#039;s goals, to the bigger picture. That&#039;s something I&#039;ve been working on, which is what inspired me to write the original article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t host comments; sorry for the inconvenience.</p>
<p>Once again the definition of &#8220;deliverable&#8221; I&#8217;m using, or at least one facet thereof, is an artifact that acts as the content of one side of a commercial transaction (the other typically being money). So, once again, if your obligation in a contract is to deliver a website, the website is a deliverable (among many).</p>
<p>As such I am implying no more in my use of the term &#8220;deliverable&#8221; than &#8220;that which is (to be) delivered&#8221;. Am I using the word wrong?</p>
<p>Let me try to unpack this a bit. My overarching purpose is to look at alternative ways to strike deals around the acquisition of information artifacts, defined as anything that would be wrong if it said or did the wrong thing. These artifacts tend to be conceived and rendered as digital data, and as such the cost structure and risks around acquiring them are not governed by the costs of raw materials or rote labour, but rather that of gathering, concentrating, synthesizing and representing precursor information. The reason why I am interested in looking at alternative modes of exchange and financing of such artifacts is because I observe that these costs are inherently unknowable.</p>
<p>While the cost of gathering, concentrating, synthesizing and representing a <em>specific</em> piece of information is unknowable, the costs of these operations in <em>general</em> is not. In fact, it has never been cheaper. This realization is what led me to consider alternate ways to do deals around these kinds of artifacts.</p>
<p>What if, then, instead of striking a deal to deliver a complex artifact like a website, framed as a discrete capital investment, the deal was to deliver continual installments of <em>simple</em> artifacts that combine together over time, framed as an operating expense? That way, both actors in the transaction could ensure that they are getting value on an incremental basis, without the need for the risk exposure associated with a monolithic capital investment.</p>
<p>At this point the problem becomes, how do we answer the client&#8217;s question of &#8220;what did I get for my money?&#8221; It occurs to me here that what is needed is some way of connecting the simple artifact, which may be many degrees removed from the client&#8217;s goals, to the bigger picture. That&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve been working on, which is what inspired me to write the original article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Language for  Design Problems by Austin Govella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Govella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...and no comments on Dorian;s blog, so I post here and snark on Twitter:

Deliverables are communication tools. You are communicating something to the client. That may or may not be a problem you are solving.

The real question is who am I talking to and what do they need me to communicate to them. Followed closely by what idea do you want to change in their head. The answer to none of these questions is limited to solving a problem for a client.

If you only ever communicate problem solutions in your deliverables, then you&#039;re refusing to answer the first two most important questions: who am I talking to and what do they need me to communicate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and no comments on Dorian;s blog, so I post here and snark on Twitter:</p>
<p>Deliverables are communication tools. You are communicating something to the client. That may or may not be a problem you are solving.</p>
<p>The real question is who am I talking to and what do they need me to communicate to them. Followed closely by what idea do you want to change in their head. The answer to none of these questions is limited to solving a problem for a client.</p>
<p>If you only ever communicate problem solutions in your deliverables, then you&#8217;re refusing to answer the first two most important questions: who am I talking to and what do they need me to communicate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Language for  Design Problems by Austin Govella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Govella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feels like you&#039;re conflating the problems and the solution. I&#039;ve often seen it with the two separate (known problem, unknown solution). I like your classification better, but that leaves out an important option:

Understood problems: unknown solution
Maybe that really means you don;t understand the problem and you need more understanding so you can class it against understood or unsolved problems.

And I think Dorian&#039;s post conflated documentation with solving the problem. One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. I&#039;ll re-read and post a comment there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feels like you&#8217;re conflating the problems and the solution. I&#8217;ve often seen it with the two separate (known problem, unknown solution). I like your classification better, but that leaves out an important option:</p>
<p>Understood problems: unknown solution<br />
Maybe that really means you don;t understand the problem and you need more understanding so you can class it against understood or unsolved problems.</p>
<p>And I think Dorian&#8217;s post conflated documentation with solving the problem. One has nothing to do with the other, in my opinion. I&#8217;ll re-read and post a comment there.</p>
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